Dougie and Wikipedia

[Smeenus]

This article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues

...does not cite Dougie's case and should. I started to edit the article, but, if he will agree to do it, I would like Hagrinas to write the entry. IMO Hagrinas is our best writer

[Smeenus]

Post by Smeenus
This article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues
...does not cite Dougie's case and should. I started to edit the article, but, if he will agree to do it, I would like Hagrinas to write the entry. IMO Hagrinas is our best writer

Bumping this. I tried today but I feel I can't stay impartial enough. I'm asking someone from here to edit Dougie into that article. If I sounded like everyone here is an inferior writer to Haggy I didn't mean it that way (although it is certainly true in my case), I simply meant that Haggy is IMO our most careful writer. But maybe he feels like I do that he can't keep his emotions out. Dougie should be named in that article. I feel strongly about this

[Ron Moses]

Post by Smeenus
Dougie should be named in that article. I feel strongly about this

I'm guess I'm only throwing in here because I know this is important to you and I don't want to leave you hanging on a topic that is so close to so many of us. I would offer to write something up (and you and I will discuss the merits of Hagrinas's writing over mine in a different thread, my friend) but... until now I've made a conscious decision to steer clear of this subject. I loved Dougie and still do. But I have a hard time knowing what opinion I'm supposed to have about the events of that evening other than that they were unspeakably tragic. I lost a friend, but I can't say I know why, and I doubt I ever will.

I'd like it if Dougie was acknowledged in that article. But what do you include in order to maintain a balance of information and impartiality? Having read quite a bit about the case, as I sure many of us have, I'm familiar with five or six key pieces of information that appear to tell the story. If you pick and choose among them in order to fit a specific narrative, that's not impartial. If you tell the whole story... it pains me to say this, but the picture it paints of Dougie's condition at that time is not how I want to remember him. It's sad and tragic and a little frightening.

If someone were able to come up with two or three succinct sentences that describe the incident, that seems appropriate. If it's not going to be enough unless every grim detail is laid on the table, maybe it's better to let this rest. Ultimately, it's a couple of lines on Wikipedia; this story is very well represented elsewhere. But the fact remains that no part of this story reflects my feelings about Dougie in any way, and it's not the vessel through which I would choose to commemorate him.

ron

[Antal Adriaanse]

I tried to write something clever, but my English vocabulary is not what it
once was. Let me just say that I agree with both Paul and Ron. Having said
that...

As the courtcase is ongoing, I would wait for the outcome of the case;
facts, evidence and verdict.
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Post by Smeenus
Dougie should be named in that article. I feel strongly about this

I'm guess I'm only throwing in here because I know this is important to you
and I don't want to leave you hanging on a topic that is so close to so many
of us. I would offer to write something up (and you and I will discuss the
merits of Hagrinas's writing over mine in a different thread, my friend)
but... until now I've made a conscious decision to steer clear of this
subject. I loved Dougie and still do. But I have a hard time knowing what
opinion I'm supposed to have about the events of that evening other than
that they were unspeakably tragic. I lost a friend, but I can't say I know
why, and I doubt I ever will.

I'd like it if Dougie was acknowledged in that article. But what do you
include in order to maintain a balance of information and impartiality?
Having read quite a bit about the case, as I sure many of us have, I'm
familiar with five or six key pieces of information that appear to tell the
story. If you pick and choose among them in order to fit a specific
narrative, that's not impartial. If you tell the whole story... it pains me
to say this, but the picture it paints of Dougie's condition at that time is
not how I want to remember him. It's sad and tragic and a little
frightening.

If someone were able to come up with two or three succinct sentences that
describe the incident, that seems appropriate. If it's not going to be
enough unless every grim detail is laid on the table, maybe it's better to
let this rest. Ultimately, it's a couple of lines on Wikipedia; this story
is very well represented elsewhere. But the fact remains that no part of
this story reflects my feelings about Dougie in any way, and it's not the
vessel through which I would choose to commemorate him.

ron

[Antal Adriaanse]

Post by Antal Adriaanse
I tried to write something clever, but my English vocabulary is not what
it once was.

I meant to say "I tried to write something clever as a reply to Ron's post."

AA

[Smeenus]

On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:12:17 PM UTC-7, Ron Moses wrote:
(and you and I...


...climb, clearer towards the movement...

...will discuss the merits of Hagrinas's writing over mine in a different thread, my friend)

You ever say anything that didn't come out right? You've written some of the funniest stuff I've ever read, Ron.

[Ron Moses]

Post by Smeenus
You ever say anything that didn't come out right? You've written some of the funniest stuff I've ever read, Ron.

Well now I have an awkward erection. See what you did?

I agree that if you're looking for some prose to address a tragic event, Hagrinas is probably your guy. I can do reason and dispassion quite well, but my comedy filter gets flooded real easy. I write to draw attention to myself more often than not.

But if you're looking for ten minutes of stand-up, I'm your guy. Just go copy it off my Twitter feed, nobody will know.

ron

[Smeenus]

Post by Ron Moses
If someone were able to come up with two or three succinct sentences that describe the incident, that seems appropriate.

This. That's all I want. Y

[Hagrinas Mivali]

Post by Smeenus

Post by Smeenus
This article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues
...does not cite Dougie's case and should. I started to edit the article, but, if he will agree to do it, I would like Hagrinas to write the entry. IMO Hagrinas is our best writer

Bumping this. I tried today but I feel I can't stay impartial enough. I'm asking someone from here to edit Dougie into that article. If I sounded like everyone here is an inferior writer to Haggy I didn't mean it that way (although it is certainly true in my case), I simply meant that Haggy is IMO our most careful writer. But maybe he feels like I do that he can't keep his emotions out. Dougie should be named in that article. I feel strongly about this

I don't want to get into the issue of who writes better than whom, but I
can add something. It can't have any bias, or any particulars not
related to the subject of Taser use. It can mention relevant issues such
as the nature of the encounter. I'm not aware of any specific mention in
the press of why they were arresting him, since, even if what he was
accused of was crass, was not illegal. It is relevant that he was
believed to be bipolar (I don't know if it was disclosed in the news as
an official diagnosis; personal knowledge doesn't count) and that it was
addressed by using a Taser, that it knocked him to the ground and caused
a skull fracture. It's certainly relevant that he died. It might not be
relevant to the article that he was repeatedly kicked and beaten while
unconscious or it might be relevant since his condition and the overall
strategy of subduing him were related to Taser use.

It's relevant that he hadn't been accused of doing anything illegal
prior to being questioned, but it's hard to find a source to cite.

The best thing is to have links for every known source to read over
prior to any of this, and come up with facts that have direct citations
from reliable sources.

It also makes sense to keep it as succinct as other mentions of other
people, unless there are specific facts that warrant otherwise.

[m***@gmail.com]

Post by Hagrinas Mivali

Post by Smeenus

Post by Smeenus
This article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues
...does not cite Dougie's case and should. I started to edit the article, but, if he will agree to do it, I would like Hagrinas to write the entry. IMO Hagrinas is our best writer

Bumping this. I tried today but I feel I can't stay impartial enough. I'm asking someone from here to edit Dougie into that article. If I sounded like everyone here is an inferior writer to Haggy I didn't mean it that way (although it is certainly true in my case), I simply meant that Haggy is IMO our most careful writer. But maybe he feels like I do that he can't keep his emotions out. Dougie should be named in that article. I feel strongly about this

I don't want to get into the issue of who writes better than whom, but I
can add something. It can't have any bias, or any particulars not
related to the subject of Taser use. It can mention relevant issues such
as the nature of the encounter. I'm not aware of any specific mention in
the press of why they were arresting him, since, even if what he was
accused of was crass, was not illegal. It is relevant that he was
believed to be bipolar (I don't know if it was disclosed in the news as
an official diagnosis; personal knowledge doesn't count) and that it was
addressed by using a Taser, that it knocked him to the ground and caused
a skull fracture. It's certainly relevant that he died. It might not be
relevant to the article that he was repeatedly kicked and beaten while
unconscious or it might be relevant since his condition and the overall
strategy of subduing him were related to Taser use.
It's relevant that he hadn't been accused of doing anything illegal
prior to being questioned, but it's hard to find a source to cite.
The best thing is to have links for every known source to read over
prior to any of this, and come up with facts that have direct citations
from reliable sources.
It also makes sense to keep it as succinct as other mentions of other
people, unless there are specific facts that warrant otherwise.

I do think these words demonstrate that you're the man to do the job, Haggy.